tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post5277617625220436364..comments2023-10-27T02:21:24.958-05:00Comments on Liberal Faith Development: Latest Revision to UUA "Principles and Purposes" Document Now AvailableSteve Caldwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12333184436301854794noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-20996779820947886712009-01-30T23:30:00.000-06:002009-01-30T23:30:00.000-06:00Latest derision of UUA President Bill Sinkford now...Latest <A HREF="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2009/01/uua-president-bill-sinkford-alleged.html" REL="nofollow">derision of UUA President Bill Sinkford</A> now available. . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-22508744115529849112009-01-29T08:41:00.000-06:002009-01-29T08:41:00.000-06:00The Commission has published the board-amended ver...The Commission has published the board-amended version here: <A HREF="http://www25.uua.org/coa/ArtIIReview/June'09Proposal.pdf" REL="nofollow">http://www25.uua.org/coa/ArtIIReview/June'09Proposal.pdf</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-53824650715347631822009-01-22T17:50:00.000-06:002009-01-22T17:50:00.000-06:00And in case anyone is wondering I do think that ea...And in case anyone is wondering I do think that earthworms have plenty of inherent worth, possibly even some dignity, but I am less sure about tapeworms and other harmful parasites. Still, if U*Us were to actually broaden out the first principle of U*Uism to honoring and upholding the inherent worth and dignity of all *beings* I think they would have to give some very serious thought to just where the inherent worth, if not <A HREF="http://radiographics.rsnajnls.org/content/vol24/issue1/images/large/g04ja03c13b.jpeg" REL="nofollow">dignity of a foetus</A>, or even a fertilized human egg, begins. Just a thought. . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-48882734077281390012009-01-22T11:27:00.000-06:002009-01-22T11:27:00.000-06:00BTW Ogre, U*Us would be opening a gigantic can of ...BTW Ogre, U*Us would be opening a gigantic can of <A HREF="http://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=U*Unitarians+and+%22Roe+vs.+Wade%22.+.+.&meta=&btnG=Google+Search" REL="nofollow">inherently respected and worthy worms</A> if they did actually take up your "less than perfect" suggestion that "every person" should be changed to "every being". Interestingly enough just in the last few days I was thinking about the implications of changing "every person" to "every human being". . . While U*Us *can* and *do* try to argue that a <A HREF="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=5W3&q=U*Unitarians+and+foetuses.+.+.+&btnG=Search&meta=" REL="nofollow">foetus</A> is not a "<A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/person" REL="nofollow">person</A>" they would be rather hard pressed to successfully argue that a foetus is not a human *<A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/being" REL="nofollow">being</A>. . . N'est-ce pas?Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-1270675935922299182009-01-22T11:14:00.000-06:002009-01-22T11:14:00.000-06:00The inherent worth and dignity of every Ogre, trol...The inherent worth and dignity of every Ogre, troll, mosquito, tse tse fly, flea, amoeba, dust mite etc. etc. ad nauseum. . .<BR/><BR/>ROTFLMU*UO!<BR/><BR/>I for one am very gratified to see that my long standing public suggestion that Unitarian*Universalists should actually <A HREF="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/covenant" REL="nofollow">covenant</A> to "honor and uphold" aka "honour and uphold" the Seven Principles, rather than quite emptily and insincerely "affirm and promote" them, was apparently paid attention to by some people in the UUA and incorporated into the revised draft of the Seven Principles of U*Uism. Hopefully GA delegates will vote in favor of these amendments but I can see them voting against them precisely because a whole lot of hypocritical U*Us, including no shortage of "less than excellent" U*U ministers and "far from perfect" UUA leaders, including UUA President Bill Sinkford. . . don't seem to be all that interested in actually honoring and upholding the Seven Principles of U*Uism to say nothing of other U*U bylaws aka <A HREF="http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7otwe/the_code_is_more_what_youd_call_guidelines_than/" REL="nofollow">rules aka guidelines</A>. . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-63855788085324512132009-01-03T22:55:00.000-06:002009-01-03T22:55:00.000-06:00Thoughts:Significantly improved; it lost a lot of ...Thoughts:<BR/><BR/>Significantly improved; it lost a lot of clutter.<BR/><BR/>There are subtle but important improvements in Sections C-2.1 and C-2.2. I particularly like this version's claiming Unitarianism and Universalism as sources, and identifying something of their essential characteristics (even if the quotes that are referred to are questioned). But the listing of sources is much tighter, as well.<BR/><BR/>The nightmare reference on misappropriation got leashed to a form that's acceptable.<BR/><BR/>As for the Principles... I think that "inclusion" needed to be dealt with. But that critique coming from a range of people hasn't even been publicly addressed (that I've seen). Just shut down. Ah well... something to do at SLC or...<BR/><BR/>I'd also have liked to see "every person" changed to "every being"--connecting it to the seventh principle.<BR/><BR/>But overall? Big step up.ogrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15910505029382522110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-33908570472607368672009-01-03T11:28:00.000-06:002009-01-03T11:28:00.000-06:00Ah, I went from the RTF file marked "new" on the f...Ah, I went from the RTF file marked "new" on the first link in your post, which is identical to the PDF linked below it, rather than your direct PDF link to the new report.<BR/><BR/>This will take some chewing on, but so far at least it's better than the dreadful version from this fall . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-38605596934653098102009-01-03T10:44:00.000-06:002009-01-03T10:44:00.000-06:00Jess,Please check again -- the Fall 2008 revision ...Jess,<BR/><BR/>Please check again -- the Fall 2008 revision can be found online here:<BR/><BR/>Fall 2008 Revision<BR/>http://www.uua.org/documents/coa/articleii/080915_articleii.pdf<BR/><BR/>The link for the most-recent revision can be found online here as part of the COA's report to the UUA Board:<BR/><BR/>Winter 2009 Revision<BR/>http://www.uua.org/documents/coa/081219_boardreport.pdf<BR/><BR/>I have only looked at the new document briefly -- two significant changes are present in the more recent Winter 2009 revision:<BR/><BR/>(1) The Fall 2008 version lists our principles as bullet statements with additional amplifying and explaining text (Section C2-4). The Winter 2009 version has the principles as bullets without the additional text but it does have a short paragraph after the bullets (Section C2-3).<BR/><BR/>(2) The Fall 2008 version explicitly mentions cultural misappropriation in the Sources section (Section C2-3). The Winter 2009 version talks about it in the Sources section (Section C2-2) but doesn't use the word "misappropriation."<BR/><BR/>I'm sure there are more changes -- major and minor -- but I haven't looked that closely yet.<BR/><BR/>Any other thoughts about the latest revisions?Steve Caldwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12333184436301854794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6877063.post-2627786769840829502009-01-03T10:12:00.000-06:002009-01-03T10:12:00.000-06:00This is not a latest revision, but rather a new fo...This is not a latest revision, but rather a new format for the document they published this fall before releasing a survey. There are no additional text changes from the original PDF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com